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we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i want my guys and willing to take bruises along the way and he thinks he will get them in the end. >> ashleigh, if you down size the pentagon politically, and that's what the president is going to do, it's not a bad idea the republicans think to have the republican at the helm because they're called soft on defense, et cetera, et cetera. when you're down sizing, have a republican lead the way. >> it makes for easier politics in some respects. let's switch to mr. brennan. this is another interesting choice and a lot of people have a lot of good things to say about john brenna. however, gler yeah, the n nomination process is problematic. the cv sounds terrific. when's the problem? >> i actually think that brennan will have a much easier time than chuck hagel. i think there are questions about how he felt about enhanced interrogation techniques as we call them, otherwise known as torture, during the bush administration. >> he didn't particularly d
we thought on the susan rice nomination for secretary of state. he pulled the name back. the president signaling i want my team. i want my guys and willing to take bruises along the way and he thinks he will get them in the end. >> ashleigh, if you down size the pentagon politically, and that's what the president is going to do, it's not a bad idea the republicans think to have the republican at the helm because they're called soft on defense, et cetera, et cetera. when you're down...
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what about instead of john kerry susan rice for secretary of state. lady and minority. triple word score >> i will do everything in my power to block her. she's not qualified. >> jon: oh, right. mccain. do you have any evidence that barack obama himself is somewhat diverse is being discriminatory in his hiring practices >> the "new york times" ran this photo the other day showing the president with a group of all white men advising him in the oval office. >> jon: first of all computer enhanced. there's a black guy right there. now i'm not saying that balances everything out but that is a black guy. and there is another black guy who appears to be running the meeting. still, fair point. there aren't any women in the photo. >> this photo shows the president surrounded by all male advisors although the white house says top aide valerie jarrett is hidden behind the men. >> jon: that's just valerie jarrett's style. here she is at the '08 inauguration. here she is at tianamen square. here she is with buzz aldrin on the moon. she's like a living where's waldo. here she is behi
what about instead of john kerry susan rice for secretary of state. lady and minority. triple word score >> i will do everything in my power to block her. she's not qualified. >> jon: oh, right. mccain. do you have any evidence that barack obama himself is somewhat diverse is being discriminatory in his hiring practices >> the "new york times" ran this photo the other day showing the president with a group of all white men advising him in the oval office. >>...
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>> the susan rice contrast is a very interesting one for a number of reasons. one of them is that susan rice technically took herself out of contention but there was a perception that she had been abandoned by the white house. whereas chuck hagel, a ton of people not only on the political right were raising objections to hagel and yet the white house hung tough on behalf of hagel which is very telling, i would suggest. i think when you're looking at senator kerry and senator hagel, you are looking at two people who served as mentors to president obama when he first entered the senate, with whom he feels he has a shared world view. let's not forget that president obama had been praised for his team of rivals, that his having diverse voices, when he first came into office, so there's a question of whether or not he's stepping away from that. rosa brooks hasn't just talked about diversity and representativeness in the cabinet. she has also talked about deeper problems with president obama's national security team and his national security approach. i wonder if thi
>> the susan rice contrast is a very interesting one for a number of reasons. one of them is that susan rice technically took herself out of contention but there was a perception that she had been abandoned by the white house. whereas chuck hagel, a ton of people not only on the political right were raising objections to hagel and yet the white house hung tough on behalf of hagel which is very telling, i would suggest. i think when you're looking at senator kerry and senator hagel, you...
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would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look at the fence, the cia and state and treasury, there's no women. now, to charles' point he was going to try to nominate susan rice and he had hillary clinton there but does he need a woman in one of those positions? >> i sure think it would be nice to see a woman in one of those positions. i think charles' point, it's obviously fair that almost half of the presidential appointees overall have been women, but when you look at the top, you see a really different story and this is not unique to the government. this is true in fortune 500 corporations. this is true in education. no
would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look...
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first of all it wouldn't look good if he backed down after what happened to susan rice and i think he thinks he can win this. and there are certain things about chuck hagel's resume that set with what he wants to do with defense. cutting defense spending, that sort of thing. it makes sense so he's going to stick with his pick. chris: is hagel, barack obama with a war record, is he really the guy that -- that obama has been hiding, more liberal on foreign policy? >> i believe that's right and he wouldn't have picked him in the second term unless he thought they were in sync on the larger philosophy of what they want. for the american force in the world. chris: a real statement picking this guy? >> he also thought he would give him cover on the necessary defense reductions. he's a republican. therefore, he helps them with that. that's pretty much shot. chuck hagel is no longer seen as a republican. he's seen as a -- an outliar. chris: let's talk about guns. this is tough. guns. can he get something? can he get something big? >> you're seeing that argument sort of play out right now in t
first of all it wouldn't look good if he backed down after what happened to susan rice and i think he thinks he can win this. and there are certain things about chuck hagel's resume that set with what he wants to do with defense. cutting defense spending, that sort of thing. it makes sense so he's going to stick with his pick. chris: is hagel, barack obama with a war record, is he really the guy that -- that obama has been hiding, more liberal on foreign policy? >> i believe that's right...
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so john kerry not susan rice. earlier this week, the president announcing that former republican senator chuck hagel was his pick to be the next secretary of defense. so chuck hagel and not, say, michelle flournoy, the very highly regarded undersecretary of defense for policy. no word yet on who president obama has in mind to be his next secretary of labor, but hilda solis announced just this afternoon that she has handed in her resignation. that's another woman gone from the cabinet. the white house going out of its way to stress today right after the solis announcement exactly who in the cabinet plans to stay on at the start of the president's second term. they led their list with health secretary kathleen sebelius. earlier tried to press down on the lack of diversity in the cabinet. >>> the u.s. ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. again, this president has made two appointments to the supreme court, both of them women. and i think that his commitment -- >> you think that it is an unfair charge? >> w
so john kerry not susan rice. earlier this week, the president announcing that former republican senator chuck hagel was his pick to be the next secretary of defense. so chuck hagel and not, say, michelle flournoy, the very highly regarded undersecretary of defense for policy. no word yet on who president obama has in mind to be his next secretary of labor, but hilda solis announced just this afternoon that she has handed in her resignation. that's another woman gone from the cabinet. the white...
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>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard time. buying what you -- >> bob: it was all her fault. >> andrea: i'm not picking up what you are putting down. she is the secretary of state. in charge of the diplomatic affairs. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: they ignored the warnings. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: a lot. that was in grave danger. coming up, the king of tabloid tv jerry springer says the show is a true picture of reality and more democratic than politics today. so does he have a point? or a perfect example of american culture in decline? that's ahead. on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back. does it seem every time you turn on
>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard...
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he wanted to nominate susan rice. i won't beat him up on this. he hates women, trying to take away the -- he said that romney caused cancer in one woman. the attacks were absurd. >> bob: there are 3,500 political appointees in the administration. in that neighborhood. i would bet you, i asked them for this but i didn't get an answer because i'm last in line to get answers. i bet there are more women appointees than any other administration. >> kimberly: talk about this. can i get a full screen up. women in the cabinet. look at this. obama, nine through his first term. george w. bush, ten. clinton, 17. oh, clinton is the winner again. >> andrea: why does it matter like eric said, it's about who is qualified. >> eric: that is unfair. put the full screen back up. put the full screen back up. nine through the first term. so if he, if valerie jarret leaves and soliz leaves and replace it with two more females. >> dana: elaine chow served for the entire eight years as the secretary of labor. >> bob: that is an unusual situation. >> kimberly: guys, this
he wanted to nominate susan rice. i won't beat him up on this. he hates women, trying to take away the -- he said that romney caused cancer in one woman. the attacks were absurd. >> bob: there are 3,500 political appointees in the administration. in that neighborhood. i would bet you, i asked them for this but i didn't get an answer because i'm last in line to get answers. i bet there are more women appointees than any other administration. >> kimberly: talk about this. can i get a...
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susan rice would have been secretary of state if the republicans hadn't attacked her -- >> hold on. i've been hearing that all week. i heard an interview, i was screaming at the television saying, people don't look when they're looking for the best qualified -- that is a bunch of crap. people know, if you go to any h.r., anyone who's looking for any type of person to fill a job, they talk about everything, hair color, eye color, i need a black woman for this. we need a black man for that. and for an african-american, the first black president of the united states not to understand the optics of this is ridiculous. i think he's getting off the hook. he should have the most diverse staff of anyone ever. >> i'm with you on more diversity. if this was a republican, people on the left -- >> they would eat their lunch. it's embarrassing. >> but maybe this is because he knows this is white people's last hoorah. by 2045, white people will be in the minority. >> i know you're joking. but this has perturbed me for a long time. i think people have let the administration off the hook and they s
susan rice would have been secretary of state if the republicans hadn't attacked her -- >> hold on. i've been hearing that all week. i heard an interview, i was screaming at the television saying, people don't look when they're looking for the best qualified -- that is a bunch of crap. people know, if you go to any h.r., anyone who's looking for any type of person to fill a job, they talk about everything, hair color, eye color, i need a black woman for this. we need a black man for that....
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no final decision from president obama, but the ambassador susan rice ran into a buzz saw on capitol hill when she met with republican senators critical of her nomination. it's so common, look, if they interviewed democrats the same way, i would be all is fair in love and war, but they don't. they don't. >> andrew breitbart one of my mentors, used to say the problem with the media they pretend they're objective. look at george stephanopoulos, he's a clinton staffer. like karl rove were the real anchor on a news program. >> he run a war room. >> he was and people wonder why did george stephanopoulos suddenly bring up contraception right during the debate? he did it because that was part of the obama administration's war on women and he was-- >> and spoke ahead of time. and what mitt romney said about half the country is a spit in the face of everyday american people who know what it means to work incredibly hard and still sometimes fail to get by, these so-called victims he dismisses well, these are victims of a system that's rigged by mitt romney's backers, so they-- >> richard trumk
no final decision from president obama, but the ambassador susan rice ran into a buzz saw on capitol hill when she met with republican senators critical of her nomination. it's so common, look, if they interviewed democrats the same way, i would be all is fair in love and war, but they don't. they don't. >> andrew breitbart one of my mentors, used to say the problem with the media they pretend they're objective. look at george stephanopoulos, he's a clinton staffer. like karl rove were...
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susan rice would have been secretary of state if the republicans hadn't attacked her -- >> hold on. i've been hearing that all week. i heard an interview, i was screaming at the television saying, people don't look when they're looking for the best qualified -- that is a bunch of crap. if you go to any h.r., anyone who's looking for any type of person to fill a job, they talk about everything, hair color, eye color, i need a black woman for this. we need a black man for that. and for an african-american, the first black president of the united states not to understand the optics of this is ridiculous. i think he's getting off the hook. he should have the most diverse staff of anyone ever. >> i'm with you on more diversity. if this was a republican, people on the left -- >> they would eat their lunch. it's embarrassing. >> but maybe this is because he knows this is white people's last hoorah. by 2045, white people will be in the majority. >> i know you're joking. but this has perturbed me for a long time. i think people have let the administration off the hook and they shouldn't be l
susan rice would have been secretary of state if the republicans hadn't attacked her -- >> hold on. i've been hearing that all week. i heard an interview, i was screaming at the television saying, people don't look when they're looking for the best qualified -- that is a bunch of crap. if you go to any h.r., anyone who's looking for any type of person to fill a job, they talk about everything, hair color, eye color, i need a black woman for this. we need a black man for that. and for an...
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i'm not sure i heard anyone on the hill praising the choice, potential choice of susan rice for secretary of state as a woman. i mean, they were criticizing her for her positions and other things. i think at the end of the day, it's optically not good. you know, obviously, for this president. he has sort of a strong record, but probably more important are those people around him. that white house photograph was very real and that's how it is on a day-to-day basis. with a couple of exceptions. but that's how senator obama and president obama has sort of always been. always surrounded by usually men. >> congressman, last word. this is also true of people of color. the president, obviously, we have a holder at the justice department. we have kirk at the u.s. trade rep, but are there enough minorities and should it matter to us? should we be discussing this? >> it should matter because diversity must be our promise and not our problem. and, you know, when you have first man of color in the white house, it becomes even more significant. but i believe the president truly believes in diversity a
i'm not sure i heard anyone on the hill praising the choice, potential choice of susan rice for secretary of state as a woman. i mean, they were criticizing her for her positions and other things. i think at the end of the day, it's optically not good. you know, obviously, for this president. he has sort of a strong record, but probably more important are those people around him. that white house photograph was very real and that's how it is on a day-to-day basis. with a couple of exceptions....
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nice guy and hs going to have things his way and having seen susan rice, who was widely speculated to be his choice for secretary of state, to see her have to withdraw her potential nomination, the president, i think, decided he's going to make it stick and make the republicans choke on it when it comes to chuck hagel. >> megyn: now, brennan, he's, you know, going to take over for petraeus at the cia and he's had a long history at the cia, apparently some feathers were ruffled and some weren't, whatever. but the thing about brennan,'s been in an important position, top advisor on counterterrorism to the president and he's been very absent on benghazi, on what happened to our ambassador on 9/11 of 12 when he was killed, the ambassador and three others. unlike susan rice ultimately didn't get the nod for the next secretary of state position because she did go out there on boss's orders and say stuff about benghazi, brennan didn't say anything about benghazi, does that help or hurt him now? >> probably helps him. look, he's going to have -- for mr. brennan he will have a difficult couple
nice guy and hs going to have things his way and having seen susan rice, who was widely speculated to be his choice for secretary of state, to see her have to withdraw her potential nomination, the president, i think, decided he's going to make it stick and make the republicans choke on it when it comes to chuck hagel. >> megyn: now, brennan, he's, you know, going to take over for petraeus at the cia and he's had a long history at the cia, apparently some feathers were ruffled and some...
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they department get susan rice and put michelle in at defense. some wanted. you talk about the photograph, but let me share another photo. this one, this was the original photo published in the times taken december 27th. the white house countered with the second photo. the same for the president. you have -- you can spot them here. >> where the girls are. >> this is the oval office. as you point out and talked to the white house, they are defensive here. >> they are. they are defensive about it. it's dleer they don't like the pictures that don't show a lot of women. they argue that women have a lot of input and they are important. by the way, janet napolitano runs security and you have susan rice at the united nations. it's not as if this is a wasteland without women in this d main station. my sources say that they haven't filled the commerce job. then you put someone in the situation of say a woman is appointed to fill commerce, the question is asked, did she get that because she was a woman? >> or is she the best qualified. >> i think the people are obvious
they department get susan rice and put michelle in at defense. some wanted. you talk about the photograph, but let me share another photo. this one, this was the original photo published in the times taken december 27th. the white house countered with the second photo. the same for the president. you have -- you can spot them here. >> where the girls are. >> this is the oval office. as you point out and talked to the white house, they are defensive here. >> they are. they are...
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i'm very suspicious that the story that susan rice told was a political story three weeks before the election where she said al-qaeda was decimated. that is hot true. she said the consulate was significantly and substantially secured. now, we know it was a death trap. i want to know why the cia and the fbi couldn't talk to each other about survivor interviews held by the fbi to make sure we wouldn't have made a mistake that it was based on a video. the questions i'm asking are reason and and i'm going to insist on an answer. >> shannon: and we will be watching along with you as our viewers and americans across the country want the same answers. great to have you visit with us. thank you so much. >> shannon: small business other thans slightly more optimistic in 2012. the index rose half a point to 88. still one of the lowest ratings in the history. 648 businesses surveyed ranked taxes regulations and poor sales as the top three business problems and 70% say right now is a bad time for them to think about expanding. stick around. we'll be right back. s wrong ♪ ♪ i don't wanna be r
i'm very suspicious that the story that susan rice told was a political story three weeks before the election where she said al-qaeda was decimated. that is hot true. she said the consulate was significantly and substantially secured. now, we know it was a death trap. i want to know why the cia and the fbi couldn't talk to each other about survivor interviews held by the fbi to make sure we wouldn't have made a mistake that it was based on a video. the questions i'm asking are reason and and...
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>> well, in this particular case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of people are saying, well, the fact that president obama did, in fact, nominate chuck hagel as opposed to susan rice who never got nominated, shows that these neocons are behind it. i don't think that's right. i think the neoconservatives are fighting a turf war within the republican party to make sure that the dominant foreign policy within the republican party remains a very hawkish one, and i do think we'll see some sort of squabbles on the floor of the senate or in the confirmation hearings for senator hagel to that effect. >> dana, is this hagel fight really about his views on israel, for example, and
>> well, in this particular case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of...
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ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply schedulewise, it could be difficult because the senate isn't in session this week or next and when senators do return, it's customary for the nominee to have a period of time, a week, a couple weeks to meet with can committee members before and key senators before confirmation hearings begin. for more on a little bit of this, we'll go to tom foreman with a sense of what we can expect when those hearings are under way. tom, you're in a place that no one gets to go. >> that's right. here in our virtual center, we're going to talk about
ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply...
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they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with media matters for america. what does he have a better chance of pushing through. >> i think he has a greater chance on gun control and charles was right. it will make the heads explode on the right and make banning assault weapons closing gun show loops holes would seem reasonable. i think that sets the president up in a pretty good negotiating position. >> john: what track record do you think he'll be willing to ruffle executive orders. >> the haguethe hagueel,the republicans made it clear they didn't want chuck hagel. the president said here is my republican. beat him up. go show america that they won't ev
they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with media matters for america. what...
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susan rice did in those sunday talk shows. there was this deleted reference to al qaeda involvement which was in the classified version. it was taken out when used by ambassador rice and senator graham has questions about who changed that. the intelligence committee has spoken to this. they said that they changed it and more specifically that the cia changed those talking points but senator graham is not satisfied. he says he has more questions before john brennan is confirmed and while he's not on the senate's committee on intelligence, he could hold up the nomination. >> and we're going to be speaking in the next hour to senator john mccain. he still has a lot of serious questions about benghazi as well. thanks very much. >>> the boeing 787 is called the boeing dreamliner but why it's not so dreamy. why one flight was canceled today just as it was about to take off. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!!
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very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a confirmation hearing where the senate dgives deference to the president. mcconnell, around this "politico" story with quotes from mcconnell's farewell speech to hagel where he points out that hagel saved mcconnell's brother in vietnam, so we're not really sure. and singing his praises. >> that's only in the movie version. >> it's going to be hard for mcconnell to oppose him vocally here. >> that kind of sums everything up because if you watched yesterday's "meet the press," i mean, all this talk last week about the president's personality being difficult and unapproachable a
very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a...
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not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a fight they would have waited if they didn't think they could win it. do they not think they have the votes to get him confirmed through what will be entertaining confirmation hearings. i will be sure to bring the popcorn. >> this is a winning fight for them. susan rice might not have been a winning fight. they might have filibustered susan rice. that would have been deemed a loss for them. so they floated hagel out. most important thing here, democrats getting -- barney frank criticizing hagel for his remark in 1998 about homosexuals. he's backtracking. senator charles sumer certa
not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a...
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david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of -- >> binders. >> about the numbers of women serving in the president's cabin cabinet. i actually have a list of high-ranking women in the white house. but i'm going to hold that. >> good, read that. >> you know what -- there are good points to be made on both sides of this. this is one of the biggest arguments we ever had. some of the bigger ones, torture -- you were right on that. >> wrong on that one. >> i will say i did use a bad word perfect tank you and i'm very sorry about that because you are not chauvinistic. of all the people that work here at msnbc, you are not a chau
david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of --...
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they fiercely oppose potential picks for obama's cabinet from susan rice, of course, to people who withdrew to people who had strong gop support up until they were affiliated with president obama like chuck hagel and jack lew and republicans delayed 85% of the planned relief funding for hurricane sandy. that, of course, drew a strong rebuke from republican governor chris christie. this is not politics devoted to a competing vision. this is politics devoted to digs corruption and obstruction, and those recent fights i mentioned don't even include the explosion of minority obstruction in the u.s. senate. the filibuster has been used against more of obama's legislation than any president in history. the bottom line is that the gop is exploiting what i think is a hole in our democracy. can you lose elections and still get your way now if you don't care about responsibly governing. of course, it's hard to get voters to notice this kind of thing, but i believe obama has a big opportunity at the inauguration. he can call for more than just broad patriotism or vague unity. he can call out the amora
they fiercely oppose potential picks for obama's cabinet from susan rice, of course, to people who withdrew to people who had strong gop support up until they were affiliated with president obama like chuck hagel and jack lew and republicans delayed 85% of the planned relief funding for hurricane sandy. that, of course, drew a strong rebuke from republican governor chris christie. this is not politics devoted to a competing vision. this is politics devoted to digs corruption and obstruction,...
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susan rice was too much of a loyalist, and republicans called for someone of independence. chuck hagel, however, has too much of his own voice and is outside of the mainstream. while it remains unclear whether anyone will ever be just right for the gop, perhaps a party nay sayers have forgotten the fundamental truth about this nomination. for his part robert gates, former defense secretary under george w. bush and president obama has not. speaking to hagel's nomination gates said, "while there are issues on which i have disagreed with him, such as the 2007 surge in iraq, he is a man of complete integrity and deep patriotism." he then added, "he is also the president's choice." ryan, it has been interesting to watch the back and forth on hagel's nomination as far as how -- we'll focus on republicans thus far have treated it, which is to say they all say, you know, we'll wait until the hearing. we want to give him a fair trial, but there's no way i'm voting for him. the question is out there. can he even have a fair trial at this point? >> right. we'll give hi trial first and
susan rice was too much of a loyalist, and republicans called for someone of independence. chuck hagel, however, has too much of his own voice and is outside of the mainstream. while it remains unclear whether anyone will ever be just right for the gop, perhaps a party nay sayers have forgotten the fundamental truth about this nomination. for his part robert gates, former defense secretary under george w. bush and president obama has not. speaking to hagel's nomination gates said, "while...
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look at susan rice. i think the fact the republicans are aiming at one of their own, at chuck hagel, is really an astonishing sort of symbol of where we're at in terms of finding bipartisanship, that that would be smacked down by the republican party. >> we were talking about this yesterday on the show, of all the people the president has nominated so far, you would think john brennan would be the most controversial. he's the one no one is talking about. >> that's right. you can look at all these candidates, hagel and lew, mainstream candidates who represent the president's positions flawlessly, are a stark contrast with the bush administration, therefore the republicans might have beef with him, but that's just not happening. we're being surprised when clearly it's part of a broader strategy to discredit the very idea of government. yes, the polls show that congress is more unpopular than head lice. >> and cockroaches. >> nickelback. >> castro still slightly more unpopular, but i think they can fix that
look at susan rice. i think the fact the republicans are aiming at one of their own, at chuck hagel, is really an astonishing sort of symbol of where we're at in terms of finding bipartisanship, that that would be smacked down by the republican party. >> we were talking about this yesterday on the show, of all the people the president has nominated so far, you would think john brennan would be the most controversial. he's the one no one is talking about. >> that's right. you can...
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a little bit tvd, it's not -- it us 23409 does not appear as serious as the would be nomination of susan rice to secretary of state, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch of members, clarify prior remarks that he's made, make clear his position on key issues like israel and iran. he's probably going to have to get a little closer to the president's public position and allay some concerns about some things he said which i think at times involved not very smart choice of words. i think that ought to do it. i think, you know, senator schumer probably doesn't want to be a no to bring down a presidential nominee at this point. i think schumer needs to demonstrate he asked some tough questions. i think hagel can get pass it it if he has some good meetings and he essentiall
a little bit tvd, it's not -- it us 23409 does not appear as serious as the would be nomination of susan rice to secretary of state, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch...
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brennan, hagel, kerry, susan rice, these are really people obama knows and is close to. that's what he's trying to build for his second term. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california. always good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> thank you. good morning. >> do you think if this fight if it does materialize over chuck hagel could have the effect of taking the focus off of other things that need to get done? things like the debt ceiling? >> well, i don't think we could afford to let it get in the way of debt ceiling. we only have two or three months to get that done. that fight is getting frankly much more difficult than the fiscal cliff was. we have the debt limit which the president quite rightly has said he won't engage on that. we can't hold that kind of a revolver to the economy that way. but, nonetheless, the gop can shut down the government if it chooses. we have the sequester. so we have to deal with those issues. >> is that where we're headed? because there's been at least one suggestion by one republican that maybe a governm
brennan, hagel, kerry, susan rice, these are really people obama knows and is close to. that's what he's trying to build for his second term. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, democrat from california. always good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> thank you. good morning. >> do you think if this fight if it does materialize over chuck hagel could have the effect of taking the focus off of other things that need to get done? things like the debt ceiling?...
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rice? and now they're trying to sour the test balloon that is chuck hagel. we're just a couple hours away from the fact that he will be put up for this appointment. doesn't it look funny to have the right kind of eating their young, eating their own from a position that they would like one of their own to be in? >> you know, i don't know that they're really itching for a fight here. it just seems like whenever the president floats one of these names out there we have everybody fanning out their turkey feathers, strutting around the barnyard like they have something to say about it early on. when cooler heads prevail and if we can get to a senate confirmation hearing, chuck hagel will obviously have to answer some questions that republicans are concerned about. actually, on your network this morning on "the daily rundown" with chuck todd i think dan sino did a fabulous job explaining a couple of the votes we were talking about against israel and against some of the middle eastern issues we c
rice? and now they're trying to sour the test balloon that is chuck hagel. we're just a couple hours away from the fact that he will be put up for this appointment. doesn't it look funny to have the right kind of eating their young, eating their own from a position that they would like one of their own to be in? >> you know, i don't know that they're really itching for a fight here. it just seems like whenever the president floats one of these names out there we have everybody fanning out...
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imagine what the stories would look like now if susan rice had been nominated to be secretary of state and michelle florinoi was the first defense secretary. >> i'm told that they are looking for a woman for commerce. i'm sure they are all very qualified. and then you say, oh, they needed a woman and they are putting that woman in a job because she's a woman. well, that's not a good storyline for them. >> or for people like you and me. >> right. exactly. and then the other question i have is, how much does the president, the top people listen to the women who are there? is it a question of numbers of women or is it a question of influence of women? i mean, you could argue that valley jarrett is the closest person on the senior staff to the president, long time friend close to the president and close to the first lady but how much do the -- two of the three deputies chief of staff are women. what's their impact? >> i can't tell you, ruth, how many democratic women have whispered, said to me -- and they are pretty upset about this -- why does the president decide to fight for chuck hagel
imagine what the stories would look like now if susan rice had been nominated to be secretary of state and michelle florinoi was the first defense secretary. >> i'm told that they are looking for a woman for commerce. i'm sure they are all very qualified. and then you say, oh, they needed a woman and they are putting that woman in a job because she's a woman. well, that's not a good storyline for them. >> or for people like you and me. >> right. exactly. and then the other...
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susan rice was very clearly the preferred candidate for the secretary of state position before john kerry. and so i don't think the president is you know, starting out saying well, i need an african-american woman in this slot and that's where i should start. or in the case of the position of the secretary of defense, another leading candidate happened to be michele flournoy who is a friend of mine and i think she would have been a competent leader. i think hagel will be a better leader. the reason to appoint her was not because she was a mother and a woman. the reason to an point michele four no is body who knows the pentagon. that's where we need to begin our discussion about all of these candidates. not their ethnic background or gender, but rather what they bring to the job. i think there's a great deal of diversity out there. just like at the roulette wheel, the president came up with three caucasians at the front but it's pretty good to bethel diversify the rest of the cabinet. >> let's talk about chuck hagel. ump just speaking about him as the nominee for secretary of defense. i th
susan rice was very clearly the preferred candidate for the secretary of state position before john kerry. and so i don't think the president is you know, starting out saying well, i need an african-american woman in this slot and that's where i should start. or in the case of the position of the secretary of defense, another leading candidate happened to be michele flournoy who is a friend of mine and i think she would have been a competent leader. i think hagel will be a better leader. the...
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they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the things that he has said in the past, including a guy slur over a decade ago. do these things matter in confirmation? >> first of all, lindsey graham is treated with a lot of respect as some kind of national security expert. but it is quite possible to be pro-israeli and also not for a rush to war with iran. it is not incompatible. in people in israel think it's quite legitimate to not want to go to war with iran. why that has become a litmus test is not clear. chuck hagel, for being opposed to the surge, he voted for the war in iraq. so, you know, there is a lot of exaggeration
they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the things that he has said in...
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we still don't know why susan rice was really chosen to do those sunday show appearance. we don't know why the f.b.i. didn't appear in benghazi for many weeks. we don't know why we don't have people really in custody. all the people who were leading that attack. why are they? i think we've lot of questions. i don't think brennan really is going to be stopped. i think he's going to be confirmed. he's had a long career in public service. one more thing, remember after the bin laden successful hit, brennan came out that monday and he did a briefing, he said it was the gutsiest call he had ever seen a president do. then he went on to talk about operational details of what happened during the assault on the compound. remember, the secretary of defense at the time, gates, was livid at brennan for having released those operational details to the press that monday. i think that question needs to be asked. c.i.a. director who apparently didn't have any problem releasing the details of what happened in that compound. that was very interesting. >> gretchen: the other interesting par
we still don't know why susan rice was really chosen to do those sunday show appearance. we don't know why the f.b.i. didn't appear in benghazi for many weeks. we don't know why we don't have people really in custody. all the people who were leading that attack. why are they? i think we've lot of questions. i don't think brennan really is going to be stopped. i think he's going to be confirmed. he's had a long career in public service. one more thing, remember after the bin laden successful...
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if you remember, jenna, the problems with susan rice when there was a lot of controversy when it was rumored she would be the next secretary of state? you had a bunch of women's groups that came out against republicans saying that they didn't want her to be secretary of state because she was a black and a woman. where are those groups now? if you notice, the president's nominee are all men, white men. not just men. white men. diversity is not just an gender. it is on race as well. jenna: what do you think they about stories like this and the pressure they can put on an administration of any party to select certain individuals for certain reasons and not necessarily because of qualifications? what kind of risk is that to the american public? >> it is a risk for the american public. and look, as a conservative i believe people should be chosen on ability, not on gender, not on race, not on sexual orientation or political stance but let's take labor secretary hilda solis. if the president wants a diverse latino you have javier becerra, democrat leadership. you have luis gutierrez, who i
if you remember, jenna, the problems with susan rice when there was a lot of controversy when it was rumored she would be the next secretary of state? you had a bunch of women's groups that came out against republicans saying that they didn't want her to be secretary of state because she was a black and a woman. where are those groups now? if you notice, the president's nominee are all men, white men. not just men. white men. diversity is not just an gender. it is on race as well. jenna: what...
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whether the debt ceiling, gun control, fiscal cliff, his first nominee for secretary of state susan rice, republicans are here to remind him that they are significant opposition, number one. number two, their own foreign policy, they are trying to figure out a way in the wake of bush 43 to identify a foreign policy muscular foreign policy that is different than the democrats. i think a lot of this is feeding the controversy. >> gregg: fair enough. you also debunk the argument that hagel is not qualified. in doing so in part you are siding with some derision. another pentagon chief who was well qualified, does judgment trump experience? >> it's a fascinating point. don rumsfeld is one of the most brilliant people that i've ever met. there is no question about it. if you look at the first george w. bush administration and you look at the policies on iraq, you had a group of people who were as well qualified, whose resumes if you stack them up were among the most remarkable in washington in the history of our foreign policy. and yet, you ended up with on a set of decisions, certainly on ira
whether the debt ceiling, gun control, fiscal cliff, his first nominee for secretary of state susan rice, republicans are here to remind him that they are significant opposition, number one. number two, their own foreign policy, they are trying to figure out a way in the wake of bush 43 to identify a foreign policy muscular foreign policy that is different than the democrats. i think a lot of this is feeding the controversy. >> gregg: fair enough. you also debunk the argument that hagel...
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rice at the united nations. so there's another visual for you, wolf, of women. but i've been told by a few sources, as i've been looking into these cabinet appointments, that they are really actively going after a woman to run the commerce department which is another key cabinet position. so they are on the hunt for women. >> the "new york times" did an analysis of female high level appointees over the past three administrations and they said the obama and clinton administration had 43% compared to the bush administration which had a 33% rate. so obviously things for women are improving. >> that's what they say. and there's another picture that ran in the "new york times" todays. i'm not sure if we have it but there's a picture -- there it is. there's a picture that ran in the "new york times" today. again, another visual that the white house doesn't like. if you look closely, wolf, there's a leg there in front of the president's desk and that's valerie's leg. that's a really important leg because she's a key ad
rice at the united nations. so there's another visual for you, wolf, of women. but i've been told by a few sources, as i've been looking into these cabinet appointments, that they are really actively going after a woman to run the commerce department which is another key cabinet position. so they are on the hunt for women. >> the "new york times" did an analysis of female high level appointees over the past three administrations and they said the obama and clinton administration...
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susan rice went on tv blaming it on a movie trailer. only two weeks later they finally acknowledged it was organized attack. during that two weeks most of the evidence on the ground became polluted or some way tarnished. we have to reconstruct the entire situation. we need to find out who knew what when and why the culture of pushback. bill: where is that trail of evidence do you believe? how will you determine whether or not the 7th floor of the state department which is where secretary clinton works, was aware of that question and knew that answer? >> well, the secretary's going to testify and i'm glad her health is better. i'm glad her concussion's better and we're glad she is coming back but we need to know the answer to the question, bill. why the information didn't make it and if it did make it why there wasn't response for more security in benghazi for chris stevens. bill: listen to this in the hours after the attack at the white house. >> today we mourn four more americans who represent the very best of the united states of amer
susan rice went on tv blaming it on a movie trailer. only two weeks later they finally acknowledged it was organized attack. during that two weeks most of the evidence on the ground became polluted or some way tarnished. we have to reconstruct the entire situation. we need to find out who knew what when and why the culture of pushback. bill: where is that trail of evidence do you believe? how will you determine whether or not the 7th floor of the state department which is where secretary...
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susan rice can stay in at u.n. but you want to get a few more. you might see more women becoming assistant secretaries, high-level ambassadorships on the foreign policy front and i think you'll find a woman finding a spot in one of the domestic cabinet posts. but it's, i think, the president felt he had to pick the people that were best and their names were kerry, brennan and hagel, after he floated rice around a little and she didn't track. >> because of the movie "lincoln" that's been out and doris concerns good win's book "team of rivals," obama's cabinet picks now for a second term are the least team of rivals ever. explain that a bit. >> yes. i mean these are a team of friends. i don't blame the president. look, you're in the second term now, you've won a big election like he did. you don't want to have to constantly pick the political choice. you want the person you think can get the job done. chuck hagel is not afraid to slash defense budgets. you really need a veteran to do that. the first secretary of defense a v vietnam war veteran. hag
susan rice can stay in at u.n. but you want to get a few more. you might see more women becoming assistant secretaries, high-level ambassadorships on the foreign policy front and i think you'll find a woman finding a spot in one of the domestic cabinet posts. but it's, i think, the president felt he had to pick the people that were best and their names were kerry, brennan and hagel, after he floated rice around a little and she didn't track. >> because of the movie "lincoln"...
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let's remember that susan rice was considered for secretary of state. so i don't think we'd be having this conversation if she hadn't run into trouble. certainly, diversity has always been a priority for this president. and his past cabinet nominees and positions have certainly reflected the diversity of this country. so i know that moving forward he's getting a lot of pressure from women's groups and latino groups and african-american groups, as he should. i'm sure moving forward his nominees will look more like what the country reflects. >> i like the look of the panel, too. >> yes, i love the look of this panel. exactly. >> it did occur to me that maybe president obama needs to consult mitt romney's binders. >> there we go. all right. thank you very much. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> successful once but a much different story the second time around. see what happens when two burglars try to haul off an atm. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be
let's remember that susan rice was considered for secretary of state. so i don't think we'd be having this conversation if she hadn't run into trouble. certainly, diversity has always been a priority for this president. and his past cabinet nominees and positions have certainly reflected the diversity of this country. so i know that moving forward he's getting a lot of pressure from women's groups and latino groups and african-american groups, as he should. i'm sure moving forward his nominees...
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john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing although i believe part of it is personal and this element they do have very different world views now. >> which is why the confirmation hearing and his answers will be that much more critical than earlier. >> they also, as you mentioned, harold, reservations from democrats with members of the party stopping short of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement reading in part quote chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his record and exploring his views. at the white
john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing...
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rice and ended up not picking her. do you view this as a political move to try to win a fight with republicans? >> no, absolutely not. this is someone that the president inherently trusts, and this is one of the most important positions in the administration. so the president needs someone that he has faith is going to be able to preside over a transformation of our military, right? this is going to be one of the most important four-year periods of time in our military's history over the past several decades. we're going to be withdrawing from afghanistan. we're going to be figuring out our new footprint in the world, and the president trusts chuck hagel. and to try to make this sound like it's a pick outside of the mainstream is absolutely ridiculous. chuck hagel has been widely regarded as one of the smartest people on defense and national security issues on both sides of the aisle. many of his colleagues, who right now are contemplating voting against him in the united states senate have wonderful things to say abou
rice and ended up not picking her. do you view this as a political move to try to win a fight with republicans? >> no, absolutely not. this is someone that the president inherently trusts, and this is one of the most important positions in the administration. so the president needs someone that he has faith is going to be able to preside over a transformation of our military, right? this is going to be one of the most important four-year periods of time in our military's history over the...